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Old 07-19-2008, 11:10 AM
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that verse was never fully explained by any pastor I have heard.
wonder if MacArthur has a thought on it.
I wonder, maybe next week it would be good to do some research on
it. Because it is seeming to me that in these days of deception it
would be good to know how this should be applied.
Seems like I looked up MacArthur and wasn't satisfied with his either. Not positive, though.
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18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?"
20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it?

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Old 07-19-2008, 11:13 AM
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Seems like I looked up MacArthur and wasn't satisfied with his either. Not positive, though.

ok.
well this will have to go on the back burner, for me, till next week.
then maybe we three can surf the internet and get some feedback.

Someone out there must have more answers.
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John 6:37
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to me I will certainly not cast out.


John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

draw is 1670 in the greek dictionary and means 'drag'

as in
James 2:6
But ye have despised the poor. do not rich men oppress you, and
draw you before the judgment seats?
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Old 07-19-2008, 11:16 AM
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ok.
well this will have to go on the back burner, for me, till next week.
then maybe we three can surf the internet and get some feedback.

Someone out there must have more answers.
Well, I actually did look a whole lot yesterday when I found those from Gill and Calvin. All the others I looked at said pretty much the same things as these two, which is still very vague. I'll look some more though. I am having trouble thinking of anybody else "reliable" to look at though.
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18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?"
20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it?

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Old 07-19-2008, 11:21 AM
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we may have to rely on digging into the verse on our own.
with the Holy Spirit and prayer over this, we may get this licked.

I do have an Interlinear. Later I will look in there to see if all the words
in our Bible translations are omitting or adding words that are making this confusing and unclear. That would be a problem.
gtg shopping now.
later
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John 6:37
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to me I will certainly not cast out.


John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

draw is 1670 in the greek dictionary and means 'drag'

as in
James 2:6
But ye have despised the poor. do not rich men oppress you, and
draw you before the judgment seats?
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